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Post by Trublu on Oct 14, 2008 21:02:32 GMT -5
Detective Elliot Stabler's (Chris Meloni) job and personal life become intertwined when he discovers his daughter, Kathleen Stabler (guest star Allison Siko), is the suspect.
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Post by oowsvu on Oct 14, 2008 21:26:49 GMT -5
i know it is early but this is stupid! there is no real case here! omg its kathleen...WHO CARES!
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Post by benstabler on Oct 15, 2008 3:51:54 GMT -5
It started out decent I think but it totally took a wrong turn somewhere, i felt I needed to get it a GPS or something to get back on track.
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Post by Finaddict on Oct 15, 2008 5:46:48 GMT -5
Well beieve it or not, I feel asleep after the opening, so I didn't even tape it. So I am counting on everyone to fill me in.
Doesn't sound like I missed much at this point.
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Post by oowsvu on Oct 15, 2008 6:56:22 GMT -5
you didn't miss jack Patti!
ill tell you tonight if you make it to the chat!
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Post by Trublu on Oct 15, 2008 16:43:49 GMT -5
OY. And I thought the regular episodes were getting worse.
Things we established tonight:
• Elliot gets mad. • Kathleen's behavior isn't due to her dad, her mom, or any other normal teenage rebellion that would have made infinitely more sense, she's bipolar. • Elliot gets mad. • Elliot's mom is bipolar, which is why we never hear about her. Or his dad who was apparently not so awesome either, but who we never hear about. • Elliot once dressed up as a carrot. • Elliot gets really mad. • The writers are really trying to make us hate Kim Greylek. Even when she was being compassionate there was no passion, or com. • I'm tired of watching Elliot get mad week after week.
If I was the type of person who could leave a show after watching 10 seasons, I'd be gone after tonight's episode.
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Post by missjonas on Oct 15, 2008 16:54:57 GMT -5
Aahh. Okay!
I've gotta say that I LOVED this episode. I thought it was totally a breath of fresh air from the first 2 episodes, which I really didn't enjoy.
I don't know honestly if the storyline was the absolute best, but I still loved the episode and how we definetly got a look into Elliot's past with meeting his mother and watching her talk with Kathleen and Olivia, and of which we've never really seen anything about El's past before.
Overall I really loved this episode and I was excited when it got over. "Maybe God remembered how cute you were as a carrot."
That made me smile : ]
I think that SVU definetly has its off and on episodes. In my opinion, this was definetly a good episode of season 10 : ]
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Post by Finaddict on Oct 15, 2008 18:31:36 GMT -5
Well I may have to watch this when it is rerun to see what I think. I haven't fallen asleep and missed an episode in like ...forever.
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Post by benstabler on Oct 15, 2008 18:48:47 GMT -5
I usually enjoy the whole family background thing but this epi was just way too much of it. Of course I will say it was refreshing that it wasn't all about Liv this time as many epi's seem to have been lately.
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Post by Terry on Oct 16, 2008 7:26:22 GMT -5
This episode just left me with a question mark on my face.
It was like it never really started, and then suddenly it was over. And Elliot...I did not think that he could actually get more obnoxious than previously shown, but I was apparently proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, I completely understand that he wanted to get his daughter off, that's just human nature, but then he suddenly just wanted her to be shipped off to jail and medicated against her will. I didn't think that made sense, because he tried to get her off before, and he did this time too, until he all off a sudden felt the need to do the "right" thing.
As for the bipolar thing with Kathleen...that was just plain stupid. I didn't really see how a doctor, that saw her for a few hours, and in a very absent state, could determine that she was bipolar, when Kathy and Elliot never noticed anything for the 19 years they spent with her.
And I hated every second where all this drama with Elliot's mother was involved. I just thought that it was a little over the top, and I don't really want to know every little detail about the squad's past; and frankly, especially not Elliot's. I don't really give a damn that he once dressed up as a carrot.
I also wish we could get an episode where all 4 detectives were involved, not just Elliot and Olivia. This episode was all about Elliot, with Olivia saving the day at the end, while Fin made a minor cameo.
And I might be digressing just slightly now, but I don't really see why Warner and Huang are in the credits at the beginning; they can't really be considered as part of the main cast. We rarely see them, and if we do, then it's usually for 5 minutes or less. I think they are both good additions to the cast, but in small doses.
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Post by oowsvu on Oct 16, 2008 13:23:22 GMT -5
This episode just left me with a question mark on my face. It was like it never really started, and then suddenly it was over. And Elliot...I did not think that he could actually get more obnoxious than previously shown, but I was apparently proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, I completely understand that he wanted to get his daughter off, that's just human nature, but then he suddenly just wanted her to be shipped off to jail and medicated against her will. I didn't think that made sense, because he tried to get her off before, and he did this time too, until he all off a sudden felt the need to do the "right" thing. As for the bipolar thing with Kathleen...that was just plain stupid. I didn't really see how a doctor, that saw her for a few hours, and in a very absent state, could determine that she was bipolar, when Kathy and Elliot never noticed anything for the 19 years they spent with her. And I hated every second where all this drama with Elliot's mother was involved. I just thought that it was a little over the top, and I don't really want to know every little detail about the squad's past; and frankly, especially not Elliot's. I don't really give a damn that he once dressed up as a carrot. I also wish we could get an episode where all 4 detectives were involved, not just Elliot and Olivia. This episode was all about Elliot, with Olivia saving the day at the end, while Fin made a minor cameo. And I might be digressing just slightly now, but I don't really see why Warner and Huang are in the credits at the beginning; they can't really be considered as part of the main cast. We rarely see them, and if we do, then it's usually for 5 minutes or less. I think they are both good additions to the cast, but in small doses. i actually agree with you for the most part on this Terry! also i did read that an upcoming ep will be almost all Melinda so lets hope i read right!
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Post by MunchFan on Oct 17, 2008 9:27:45 GMT -5
Do not seem like i mess anything
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Post by Terry on Oct 17, 2008 9:33:57 GMT -5
Do not seem like i mess anything Trust me, you did not!
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Post by artea on Oct 18, 2008 3:12:56 GMT -5
This episode just left me with a question mark on my face. It was like it never really started, and then suddenly it was over. And Elliot...I did not think that he could actually get more obnoxious than previously shown, but I was apparently proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, I completely understand that he wanted to get his daughter off, that's just human nature, but then he suddenly just wanted her to be shipped off to jail and medicated against her will. I didn't think that made sense, because he tried to get her off before, and he did this time too, until he all off a sudden felt the need to do the "right" thing. He did that because the conversation with his mother made him realize that Kathleen would be lost forever if she wasn't medicated. Since she refused, imprisoning her was the only option, because she would be forcibly medicated As for the bipolar thing with Kathleen...that was just plain stupid. I didn't really see how a doctor, that saw her for a few hours, and in a very absent state, could determine that she was bipolar, when Kathy and Elliot never noticed anything for the 19 years they spent with her. Taken from the Wikipedia article on bipolar disorder: The onset of full symptoms generally occurs in late adolescence or young adulthood. Diagnosis is based on the person's self-reported experiences, as well as observed behavior. And I hated every second where all this drama with Elliot's mother was involved. I just thought that it was a little over the top, and I don't really want to know every little detail about the squad's past; and frankly, especially not Elliot's. I don't really give a damn that he once dressed up as a carrot. I also wish we could get an episode where all 4 detectives were involved, not just Elliot and Olivia. This episode was all about Elliot, with Olivia saving the day at the end, while Fin made a minor cameo. And I might be digressing just slightly now, but I don't really see why Warner and Huang are in the credits at the beginning; they can't really be considered as part of the main cast. We rarely see them, and if we do, then it's usually for 5 minutes or less. I think they are both good additions to the cast, but in small doses. I agree the other cast members are getting way too little screen time, but then again many people (including myself) find Benson and Stabler far more interesting.
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Post by Terry on Oct 18, 2008 5:39:26 GMT -5
He did that because the conversation with his mother made him realize that Kathleen would be lost forever if she wasn't medicated. Since she refused, imprisoning her was the only option, because she would be forcibly medicated I think he just gave up, and found that to be the easiest solution. After Liv popped in to help out, she had Kathleen talk to her grandmother, and Kathleen realized in the end that she had a problem; and she agreed to get help. Elliot didn't try to solve the problem by going to Kathleen, but by going to everyone else. That way he didn't address the real problem, that Kathleen denied having a problem and refused to get help. I think it was odd how he never tried what Liv did. Taken from the Wikipedia article on bipolar disorder: The onset of full symptoms generally occurs in late adolescence or young adulthood. Diagnosis is based on the person's self-reported experiences, as well as observed behavior. This is taken from here: bipolar.about.com/cs/menu_diagnosis/a/0401_how_diag.htm (And reviewed by these guys: www.about.com/health/review.htm)"Therefore, to reach a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, a psychiatrist will usually conduct the following: A complete medical history and physical exam These are conducted in order to rule out other physical conditions. A complete psychiatric history As previously noted, the possibility of other mental disorders should be considered. Furthermore, bipolar disorder is characterized by mood swings that tend to cycle. In reviewing a patient's history, previous mood swings (perhaps of less severity or duration) may come to light. A family history of medical and psychiatric concerns Current research indicates that mood disorders have genetic underpinnings - they tend to run in families. Therefore, if there is a family history of depression or bipolar disorder, it is a good indication that this is the case for the current patient as well. An evaluation of current symptoms A complete medical history and physical exam These are conducted in order to rule out other physical conditions. A complete psychiatric history As previously noted, the possibility of other mental disorders should be considered. Furthermore, bipolar disorder is characterized by mood swings that tend to cycle. In reviewing a patient's history, previous mood swings (perhaps of less severity or duration) may come to light. A family history of medical and psychiatric concerns Current research indicates that mood disorders have genetic underpinnings - they tend to run in families. Therefore, if there is a family history of depression or bipolar disorder, it is a good indication that this is the case for the current patient as well. An evaluation of current symptoms If no physical cause is found, if no other psychiatric disorder better accounts for symptoms, and if the current symptoms have been of significant duration or cause significant impairment in functioning, a patient may then be diagnosed with bipolar disorder. It is important to note here that if there is no previous history of mania or hypomania, the current symptoms must be those of mania or hypomania for a diagnosis of bipolar disorder. Since bipolar disorder is characterized by both extremes of mood (mania and depression), symptoms of depression only will obviously lead to a diagnosis of unipolar depression." Though the signs perhaps, as you said, sometimes doesn't appear before young adulthood, I still don't think a doctor who spent a few hours with her, while she was sedated, could have told she had bipolar disorder. And I still don't understand how Elliot and Kathy never noticed any signs of a problem with her, at least when she got older. I agree the other cast members are getting way too little screen time, but then again many people (including myself) find Benson and Stabler far more interesting. I think that Olivia and Elliot are interesting too, to some point, but I think Munch and Fin are interesting as well, and by not tilting the weight so that it only goes in Olivia and Elliot's direction, I think the show would overall be more interesting. All this drama around Olivia and Elliot and their childhoods, problems and family just takes the "Special Victims Unit" out of "Special Victims Unit".
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