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Post by Trublu on Dec 2, 2008 23:01:00 GMT -5
A rape case involving a young female Marine stirs up painful memories from Detective Olivia Benson's (Mariska Hargitay) past.
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Post by JrBenson on Dec 3, 2008 6:53:04 GMT -5
Holy Jimminy Cricket! Personally, I liked the episode. I was glued to my seat. Liv finally came face to face with what happened to her. I got teary eyed by the end of it - when she said it out loud.
Liv had said it before in another episode from last season, I think. 'If you admit it, the abuse becomes real.' I think that with Liv finally admiting what happened to her, she'll be able to heal properly.
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Post by Trublu on Dec 3, 2008 8:39:30 GMT -5
Alright, so random much? I know Olivia was attacked, but that was last season. It took until now for something to rattle her cage? I've heard of delayed reactions, but I think this one is a bit far fetched.
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Post by JrBenson on Dec 3, 2008 9:04:15 GMT -5
I see your point but she is a cop and a cop mentality is different from a civilian. She was trained to take down perps but she became a victim when she went undercover. That must have thrown her belief in herself as a cop down the drain.
'how could I let this happen?' is probably what went through her brain constantly. And the fact that she's a dedicated cop that probably didn't take any time off since it happened didn't help her either. She deals with the gross nature of a human being everyday - that didn't help her at all.
I'm glad that Cragen 'ordered' her to take the time off to take care of herself properly.
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Post by Trublu on Dec 3, 2008 9:30:18 GMT -5
I see your point but she is a cop and a cop mentality is different from a civilian. She was trained to take down perps but she became a victim when she went undercover. That must have thrown her belief in herself as a cop down the drain. 'how could I let this happen?' is probably what went through her brain constantly. And the fact that she's a dedicated cop that probably didn't take any time off since it happened didn't help her either. She deals with the gross nature of a human being everyday - that didn't help her at all. I'm glad that Cragen 'ordered' her to take the time off to take care of herself properly. I totally get that. What I'm wondering is why we're 9 episodes into the season and we're just seeing that now. This episode would have made more sense at the beginning of the season.
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Post by JrBenson on Dec 3, 2008 10:58:21 GMT -5
Welcome to hollywood...in this case, New York. Hollywood's version of reality is different from ours - but you gotta admit, it made for good tv.
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Post by Romsu on Dec 3, 2008 11:15:15 GMT -5
After the contradictory (good?...not goood?) episodes this season has included, I think the episode couldn't have come out in a better time. And I don't think it was too late at all. It was shown earlier this season Olivia had issues... she just didn't entirely deal with them even if she went into terapy and all. This episode blew the whole pot.
It can take a long before being attack starts to affect you.
It's only my opinion, but the way they (at least this far) have deal with Olivia's attack, is the most realistic personal storyline in the show. It's nothing like Kathleen being bi-polar or Olivia 'dating' the editor of that magazine etc. things this and last season has had.
The ending left quiet for a while, the scene between Benson and that soldier. But it's a good thing she admits it that she was sexually attacked.
When Graigen said he wouldn't order the leave because it would leave a record, I couldn't help thinking I want a boss like that ;D This was, what? millionth time he did the right thing a good foreman would do, but in a way his detectives wouldn't get in trouble.
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Post by JrBenson on Dec 3, 2008 11:51:16 GMT -5
It can take a long before being attack starts to affect you. It's only my opinion, but the way they (at least this far) have deal with Olivia's attack, is the most realistic personal storyline in the show. It's nothing like Kathleen being bi-polar or Olivia 'dating' the editor of that magazine etc. things this and last season has had. The ending left quiet for a while, the scene between Benson and that soldier. But it's a good thing she admits it that she was sexually attacked. When Graigen said he wouldn't order the leave because it would leave a record, I couldn't help thinking I want a boss like that ;D This was, what? millionth time he did the right thing a good foreman would do, but in a way his detectives wouldn't get in trouble. Exactly. And the fact that she was a cop that deals with this kind of thing every day - it must have done a really good job at screwing with her mind. I liked the ending with the interaction with the soldier at the end. Did you see how she kinda backed away as if she were getting ready to bolt when Master Sgt. Dominic took a step towards her? Her body language - everything was played perfectly. I only hope that they don't dwell on too much on this and focus on her healing/recovery.
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Post by enaka on Dec 3, 2008 20:17:26 GMT -5
Hmm...
What a quite an opposite plot. Last week, the victim wanted to get rid of the baby, but this one's decided to keep the baby. Snatching the poor baby from Jessie's womb reminded me of 'Monogamy'. Well, I liked Monogamy better.
*No Elliot? Boy, do I miss him… I'd be merrier if there's an all-Elliot eppy.
*The therapist kind of ticked me off. First, she asked for Olivia's help, and the next minute, boom, she changed her mind. How pathetic is that.
*Elliot may not be in this eppy, at least I still have Munchy. When he and Fin are together, I feel at ease.
*For the first time, ADA Greyleck changed her hairstyle into pony-tailed one ( the scene when she stood by a door, near Cragen, telling Olivia 'That's Not Good Enough'… Greyleck was on Sideview when I saw her new style), but it looks better on Novak, lol.
*When I saw Master Sergeant Pruitt's face, I thought, at first, he was the little actor from the 'The Sixth Sense' movie. Their eyes look the same. I loved the part at the end when he came closer to Olivia, wanting to give her a warm comfort, after she told him she was sexually assaulted six months ago. That was sweet, but Olivia moved backward a bit. If only Casey never left, she'd be the first person Olivia would tell about her Sealview attack.
*Speaking of Olivia, I loved her hair. She really needed to go and see her doctor after she was accidentally bumped into the wall. This episode would be so brilliant if only she had flashbacks of her and Harris in the Sealview. That is one of my disappointments. Mariska's performance here was remarkable. It is worth Emmy winning. Awesome, Mariska!
*Fin was so astounding! I love him!! He was there for Olivia as not just a partner, but a friend. He showed how he cares about Olivia and her situation. I am very certain, there will be an eppy where Olivia tells Elliot about her attack. It isn't the right time yet. Or... Elliot hears it from Fin. Boy, to me, it would be painful if Elliot hears that from someone else rather than his best friend.
*Here goes the 'Dad' and 'Daughter' part. That is my favorite Cragen and Olivia moments. He knows what's best for his dau... oops, I mean his best detective. But, why she didn't leave her badge and her gun?
It wasn't that great episode, but I sure did enjoy the episode. Hope to see next week's eppy, and glad to know that Huang is still living.
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Post by benstabler on Dec 3, 2008 21:31:01 GMT -5
I know I have said before I am not a fan of the whole Liv the victim, BUT I loved this episode. I always liked when Liv and Fin worked together and this episode was AMAZING in that sense.
I can somewhat agree with the why waiting on briging this back up but in all honesty I guess it doesn't always manifest itself right away, esp in those who try to be tough.
Right or wrong time to revisit this, no matter I think it was a very strong episode...good story line and great acting and I LOVED it!
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Post by Finaddict on Dec 3, 2008 22:43:31 GMT -5
It was a fair episode. It was an SVU case. I got to see Fin and I have always liked Fin and Olivia centric episodes.
My major problem was again the Olivia angst. She got away with holding a gun to a man's head when it appeared she was extremely unbalanced. In the real world she would have had to give up her weapon. All she got was being told to take sometime off. This is unrealistic and irritating in the extreme.
I understand the whole PTSD thing but as usual Liv was allowed to go on without dealing with the issue properly.
I just want to see the show of old but I doubt that is going to happen.
We get maybe one episode and then it back to either El Unstabler or Liv Angst.
It is becoming obvious that this show is no longer based on correct police procedure.
(sorry I posted in the wrong place, Trublu..duh.)
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Post by JrBenson on Dec 4, 2008 8:20:55 GMT -5
Fin didn't mention the gun incident to anyone. He knew that if he did, Liv would be in serious deep doggy doodoo. With all that she's going through already, Fin figured that she just needs a break.
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Post by Terry on Dec 4, 2008 9:52:37 GMT -5
It was a fair episode. It was an SVU case. I got to see Fin and I have always liked Fin and Olivia centric episodes. My major problem was again the Olivia angst. She got away with holding a gun to a man's head when it appeared she was extremely unbalanced. In the real world she would have had to give up her weapon. All she got was being told to take sometime off. This is unrealistic and irritating in the extreme. I understand the whole PTSD thing but as usual Liv was allowed to go on without dealing with the issue properly. I just want to see the show of old but I doubt that is going to happen. We get maybe one episode and then it back to either El Unstabler or Liv Angst. It is becoming obvious that this show is no longer based on correct police procedure. (sorry I posted in the wrong place, Trublu..duh.) I agree with everything you just said, Patti. I think SVU is beyond hope.
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Post by dianefan01 on Dec 4, 2008 16:25:10 GMT -5
I liked this episode, I feel like there getting better every week now. It was a interesting storyline and it was nice to see Liv & Fin working together on a case. Wasn't sure where El as but anyhow, a little bit of change is good. I like how Fin didn't report her for holding the gun against the guys head and that Cragen told Liv to take a break, I think she desperately needs one. I too got a little teary eyed when she told the Marine out loud what happened to her. I hope she can begin to heal soon because it sucks seeing Liv as a victim.
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Post by Finaddict on Dec 4, 2008 22:33:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words, Terry. I know many do not agree but I stand by my opinions.
I must also say that I feel Fin was wong in not reporting what Liv did. I am sick of seeing Liv or El breaking all the rules and then walking away free and easy with a slap on the wrist. It is an abuse of power.
I am so over the poor Liv routine. She used to be a gutsy, strong and awesome Detective. Now she has become a wimp.
What the writers are doing is beyond me.
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